My guest for The Happy Hour #378 is Francis Chan. Francis Chan has been a pastor for over thirty years. He is a New York Times–bestselling author of several books, including Crazy Love and Letters to the Church. He and his wife, Lisa, have been married nearly thirty years and co-authored You and Me Forever. Currently, Francis and his family split their time between ministry and church planting in Northern California and Asia!

First off, Happy Good Friday! I am so thankful to be joined by Francis on this important day leading up to Easter. 

Friends, I feel like I cannot say enough good things about this conversation and yet I’m speechless at the same time. I walked away from this knowing that it may be my favorite interview of the entire year. Francis’ newest book, Until Unity, just released yesterday and it could not have come at a better time. In today’s show, we talk about the evangelical church being more divided than ever before, and how little we just sit in awe of Jesus and boast in who He is. He shares how we all tend to talk too much rather than rest in the beauty of our living Savior. Francis also talks about his prayer for a wave of humility to hit the church, and why there has to be a way for us to pursue both unity and truth. 


At this moment in time, we see over and over that we’re willing to sacrifice unity to pursue truth or vice versa, and we’ll come after one another trying to convince ourselves that we’ve got it right. Not only does this tear apart the body of Christ, but it shows how shallow our love is and how much we are lacking the Holy Spirit. I love so much when Francis says “If the Holy Spirit is truly in us and God is grieving some of the words that come out of our mouths, we’ll know it – because we ourselves will feel that grief.” When we are truly one with Christ, we grieve the things that He grieves. Our hearts break for what breaks His. I pray that on this Good Friday, we will feel encouraged to sit and rest in the glory of who Jesus is and the sacrifice He made for us. We are so unworthy, and yet He loves us. What a gift to celebrate.

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Jamie Ivey